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		<title>Comment on Leaf Raking, Rock Heaving, and Baking (Oh My!) by Cathy_Colorado</title>
		<link>http://chelseagreen.com/blogs/makennagoodman/2009/04/14/leaf-raking-rock-heaving-and-baking-oh-my/#comment-183</link>
		<dc:creator>Cathy_Colorado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there Makenna,

I agree with 'Leiner', the way you write you blog is really amazing. It make us do the small things that we sometimes miss out.  I'm into planting as well before but because of hectic schedule too bad didn't  make it. Hopefully, I can make it this time. By the way, thank you for posting the recipe you've found. I'll try that one too. :)

Really a nice story. Keep it up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there Makenna,</p>
<p>I agree with &#039;Leiner&#039;, the way you write you blog is really amazing. It make us do the small things that we sometimes miss out.  I&#039;m into planting as well before but because of hectic schedule too bad didn&#039;t  make it. Hopefully, I can make it this time. By the way, thank you for posting the recipe you&#039;ve found. I&#039;ll try that one too. <img src='http://chelseagreen.com/blogs/makennagoodman/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Really a nice story. Keep it up!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sustainably Sane: Why I Fled the City to Find the Good Life by Sohan</title>
		<link>http://chelseagreen.com/blogs/makennagoodman/2009/02/24/sustainably-sane-why-i-fled-the-city-to-find-the-good-life/#comment-182</link>
		<dc:creator>Sohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your suggestion. I have worked in an agricultural engineering college for more than 20 years. I am familiar with farming techniques and machinery required for farming &#38; harvesting. I encouraged the farming of medicinal plants like Japanese Mint, Lemon Grass etc in 1973-75 in India. I am sure I will find similar opportunities in USA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your suggestion. I have worked in an agricultural engineering college for more than 20 years. I am familiar with farming techniques and machinery required for farming &amp; harvesting. I encouraged the farming of medicinal plants like Japanese Mint, Lemon Grass etc in 1973-75 in India. I am sure I will find similar opportunities in USA.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Springtime in Rural Vermont: My New Life on the Land by Makenna Goodman: The Future of Publishing Isn&#8217;t Rocket Science&#8230; : Chelsea Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Makenna Goodman: The Future of Publishing Isn&#8217;t Rocket Science&#8230; : Chelsea Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 03:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Beyond Organic by In a Climate-Changing World, Organic Farms Yields Better Resilience : Chelsea Green</title>
		<link>http://chelseagreen.com/blogs/makennagoodman/2009/04/27/beyond-organic/#comment-180</link>
		<dc:creator>In a Climate-Changing World, Organic Farms Yields Better Resilience : Chelsea Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Green Fundamentalists: I&#039;m Talking to YOU by Chibinium</title>
		<link>http://chelseagreen.com/blogs/makennagoodman/2009/07/20/green-fundamentalists-im-talking-to-you/#comment-178</link>
		<dc:creator>Chibinium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The human brain only sips 20 Watts, but can think of ways to save 20 Megawatts. It is that power to create something out of nothing, to turn night into day, that is key to sustainability. It is our ability to think that will save us.

Thank you for standing up to unthinking zealots, lest they kill us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The human brain only sips 20 Watts, but can think of ways to save 20 Megawatts. It is that power to create something out of nothing, to turn night into day, that is key to sustainability. It is our ability to think that will save us.</p>
<p>Thank you for standing up to unthinking zealots, lest they kill us all.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Raven: Mythical Creature, or Chicken Killer? by makennagoodman</title>
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		<dc:creator>makennagoodman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm all for freedom of speech and opinion, and while I do eat meat (and raise animals for others who also eat meat), I respect a vegetarian or vegan's right to do whatever you want, and I respect where you're coming from. The reality is, no one is "wrong", and no one is "right". We believe what we believe, until we decide to believe something else. 

While I raise animals in a humane, small-scale, and respectful way....yes, you are correct. It is true that we are living in a factory feedlot type of world. It's totally disgusting, and must be stopped. Raising meat on a homestead or small-scale operation, however, I find to be an appropriate way to subsist self sufficiently. 

If you're going to take a moral stance against raising animals altogether, then I feel you're talking about a larger issue than just "meat or no meat".  Let's say we let all the chickens run free and be wild, and stopped eating their eggs. What about wild dogs killing the wild chickens? If you came across a dog in the woods who was tearing apart a chicken...would you fault it for responding to its instincts? You'll probably say no, that the dog is acting within its "natural" range of actions.  Then you'll need to go into the whole debate about what "natural" means. And who gets to decide what it means.

It's like Republicans and Democrats. They fight all the time amongst themselves, but really....what's so different about them? They're both political parties. They both are involved in the creation of war. I believe it is the same with Vegetarians and Meat Eaters. We are both humans. Perhaps the question isn't how one subset of humans can out-"right" the other subset....but what we can do to make humanity itself less abusive, less focused on death and destruction, and more on sustainability. If your fight is against Meat Eaters, then fine. My fight is against corporate food, and special interest government who sacrifice the health of the people and animals for the sake of money. And while I engage in this fight,  I will raise my happy chickens and kill them thoughtfully and respectfully, and enjoy their meat, and be grateful I have food on my table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m all for freedom of speech and opinion, and while I do eat meat (and raise animals for others who also eat meat), I respect a vegetarian or vegan&#039;s right to do whatever you want, and I respect where you&#039;re coming from. The reality is, no one is &#034;wrong&#034;, and no one is &#034;right&#034;. We believe what we believe, until we decide to believe something else. </p>
<p>While I raise animals in a humane, small-scale, and respectful way&#8230;.yes, you are correct. It is true that we are living in a factory feedlot type of world. It&#039;s totally disgusting, and must be stopped. Raising meat on a homestead or small-scale operation, however, I find to be an appropriate way to subsist self sufficiently. </p>
<p>If you&#039;re going to take a moral stance against raising animals altogether, then I feel you&#039;re talking about a larger issue than just &#034;meat or no meat&#034;.  Let&#039;s say we let all the chickens run free and be wild, and stopped eating their eggs. What about wild dogs killing the wild chickens? If you came across a dog in the woods who was tearing apart a chicken&#8230;would you fault it for responding to its instincts? You&#039;ll probably say no, that the dog is acting within its &#034;natural&#034; range of actions.  Then you&#039;ll need to go into the whole debate about what &#034;natural&#034; means. And who gets to decide what it means.</p>
<p>It&#039;s like Republicans and Democrats. They fight all the time amongst themselves, but really&#8230;.what&#039;s so different about them? They&#039;re both political parties. They both are involved in the creation of war. I believe it is the same with Vegetarians and Meat Eaters. We are both humans. Perhaps the question isn&#039;t how one subset of humans can out-&#034;right&#034; the other subset&#8230;.but what we can do to make humanity itself less abusive, less focused on death and destruction, and more on sustainability. If your fight is against Meat Eaters, then fine. My fight is against corporate food, and special interest government who sacrifice the health of the people and animals for the sake of money. And while I engage in this fight,  I will raise my happy chickens and kill them thoughtfully and respectfully, and enjoy their meat, and be grateful I have food on my table.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Raven: Mythical Creature, or Chicken Killer? by Quin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we didn't domesticate them they'd die off?

Like the ravens did before we domesticated them? 

The domesticated birds we have now did not ever exist before we warped them out by breeding them (not letting them breed as they would) so they would lay eggs most of the year or grow insanely huge breasts (so that they have deformed legs that can barely support them and often die of heart attacks before they can be slaughtered just so we can say we are eating healthier meat... how can it be if the bird can't even live long enough to be eaten?).

A true wild chicken would have a couple clutches of eggs per year. If she laid an egg that she couldn't support she would likely consume it (including the shell) to recycle the nutrients back in. We are the ones who have made it so there are few wild chickens but when they do get loose as in Hawaii or Key West it seems they do just fine, and in fact, so well that many consider them pests.

I fail to see why domestication is considered saving a species. We manipulatively breed them in huge numbers, send them down conveyer belts in part to sex them -- for egg layers which get to live all of a year or so before we kill them off en masse... if they are female, we send those identified as male to be ground up alive for feed or to suffocate under the weight of their brothers in giant dumpsters or to be gassed. Then, as stated we kill off the girls because, despite their breeding, they can't support pushing out that many eggs without sucking most of the calcium from their bones so end up with a lot of snapped bones after just a season making them not that good for the pot pie final destination meaning they just as often end up tossed in dumps (sometimes still alive).
http://fowlplaymovie.com/blog/2008/10/consuelas-story.html

Meanwhile those raised just for meat get all of 42 days to live in a pee and poop filled overcrowded building the public is kept from seeing inside.

While I applaud being much more thoughtful about your food and providing better alternatives for those who just won't do without eggs (it's not nearly as hard as people make it out to be), I do find justifications, especially that poor even while talking about the magical existence of a similarly winged being, disingenuous.

Maybe if they wouldn't exist without us, then they shouldn't exist at all. I think we need to be much more concerned about our Franken-creations getting loose and causing havoc in delicate food webs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we didn&#039;t domesticate them they&#039;d die off?</p>
<p>Like the ravens did before we domesticated them? </p>
<p>The domesticated birds we have now did not ever exist before we warped them out by breeding them (not letting them breed as they would) so they would lay eggs most of the year or grow insanely huge breasts (so that they have deformed legs that can barely support them and often die of heart attacks before they can be slaughtered just so we can say we are eating healthier meat&#8230; how can it be if the bird can&#039;t even live long enough to be eaten?).</p>
<p>A true wild chicken would have a couple clutches of eggs per year. If she laid an egg that she couldn&#039;t support she would likely consume it (including the shell) to recycle the nutrients back in. We are the ones who have made it so there are few wild chickens but when they do get loose as in Hawaii or Key West it seems they do just fine, and in fact, so well that many consider them pests.</p>
<p>I fail to see why domestication is considered saving a species. We manipulatively breed them in huge numbers, send them down conveyer belts in part to sex them &#8212; for egg layers which get to live all of a year or so before we kill them off en masse&#8230; if they are female, we send those identified as male to be ground up alive for feed or to suffocate under the weight of their brothers in giant dumpsters or to be gassed. Then, as stated we kill off the girls because, despite their breeding, they can&#039;t support pushing out that many eggs without sucking most of the calcium from their bones so end up with a lot of snapped bones after just a season making them not that good for the pot pie final destination meaning they just as often end up tossed in dumps (sometimes still alive).<br />
<a href="http://fowlplaymovie.com/blog/2008/10/consuelas-story.html" rel="nofollow">http://fowlplaymovie.com/blog/2008/10/consuelas-story.html</a></p>
<p>Meanwhile those raised just for meat get all of 42 days to live in a pee and poop filled overcrowded building the public is kept from seeing inside.</p>
<p>While I applaud being much more thoughtful about your food and providing better alternatives for those who just won&#039;t do without eggs (it&#039;s not nearly as hard as people make it out to be), I do find justifications, especially that poor even while talking about the magical existence of a similarly winged being, disingenuous.</p>
<p>Maybe if they wouldn&#039;t exist without us, then they shouldn&#039;t exist at all. I think we need to be much more concerned about our Franken-creations getting loose and causing havoc in delicate food webs.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Raven: Mythical Creature, or Chicken Killer? by Leiner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard about a French woman who each year had a terrible problem with her vegetables and flowers --apparently the gophers would have at them.  She would go out in the field and bargain with them, "I have one acre in the back that is especially for you, gopher guts, you go use it or you lose it," meaning their lives.  For whatever reasons, maybe French gophers are more respectful, smarter, wear berets...but they listened.  She never lost so much as a carrot.  Try that with those robber ravens..mythical and magical as they are, maybe they'll get it.  By the way, could you tell me what I should do with the bat that's flying around my daughter's room?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard about a French woman who each year had a terrible problem with her vegetables and flowers &#8211;apparently the gophers would have at them.  She would go out in the field and bargain with them, &#034;I have one acre in the back that is especially for you, gopher guts, you go use it or you lose it,&#034; meaning their lives.  For whatever reasons, maybe French gophers are more respectful, smarter, wear berets&#8230;but they listened.  She never lost so much as a carrot.  Try that with those robber ravens..mythical and magical as they are, maybe they&#039;ll get it.  By the way, could you tell me what I should do with the bat that&#039;s flying around my daughter&#039;s room?</p>
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		<title>Comment on I Don&#039;t Want To Burn My Bra, But AAARGH! by Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://chelseagreen.com/blogs/makennagoodman/2009/06/11/i-dont-want-to-burn-my-bra-but-something-must-be-done/#comment-164</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't get Juliana's and others' arguments: some, but not all, men are uncomfortable being on the field with a woman, therefore it is the woman's job to get off the field. Huh? If you don't like the game, why isn't it your responsibility to stop playing? Why must someone else be kicked off the team because you have a psychological hangup? It's a logic that isn't allowed to be run the other way. A man, in this culture, can't be kicked off of the team for the simple reason that women on the team "play differently" in his presence. But it's okay to kick a woman off for the same (vice versa) reason? If there's a logic there, please do tell. Otherwise, it looks a lot like just plain patriarchy, and the fact that it's possible to find women who support it doesn't make it acceptable.

HDaryl01: sounds like you've got yourself one hum dinger of a straw person. Woohoo! But you know, I've talked with lots of avowed feminists, and I've never met one yet who both supported the draft and thought that it should apply only to men. Either they were opposed to the draft for everyone, or they thought that men and women should have equal obligations to serve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t get Juliana&#039;s and others&#039; arguments: some, but not all, men are uncomfortable being on the field with a woman, therefore it is the woman&#039;s job to get off the field. Huh? If you don&#039;t like the game, why isn&#039;t it your responsibility to stop playing? Why must someone else be kicked off the team because you have a psychological hangup? It&#039;s a logic that isn&#039;t allowed to be run the other way. A man, in this culture, can&#039;t be kicked off of the team for the simple reason that women on the team &#034;play differently&#034; in his presence. But it&#039;s okay to kick a woman off for the same (vice versa) reason? If there&#039;s a logic there, please do tell. Otherwise, it looks a lot like just plain patriarchy, and the fact that it&#039;s possible to find women who support it doesn&#039;t make it acceptable.</p>
<p>HDaryl01: sounds like you&#039;ve got yourself one hum dinger of a straw person. Woohoo! But you know, I&#039;ve talked with lots of avowed feminists, and I&#039;ve never met one yet who both supported the draft and thought that it should apply only to men. Either they were opposed to the draft for everyone, or they thought that men and women should have equal obligations to serve.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I Don&#039;t Want To Burn My Bra, But AAARGH! by HDaryl01</title>
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		<dc:creator>HDaryl01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 06:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You feel excluded because you aren't ALLOWED to play in the men's soccor game. 1970's or 1980's segregation and exclusion. Poor you. YOU want to be ALLOWED to play. You want to be an equal. When you want, how you want, and why you want.

But, at the end of the day, you actually don't want to be really equal, you want to be equal when you feel like it. And, you're fine being unequal should you not feel like it. 

Every male on that soccor field born after December 31, 1959 was COMPELLED to register for the draft between the ages of 18 and 25, or face severe consequences. All females are excluded. The consequences males face should they not register? $250,000 fine and 5 years in jail. Excluded from federal employment. Excluded from federal student loans and grants. Excluded from citizenship. Excluded from federal job training. Excluded from state jobs, loans, and training. Excluded from getting a driver's license in 19 states....

An exclusively MALE requirement since 1980.

Now, women have been ALLOWED into every military branch, and all military academies if they feel like it and want to go, for many years. Yet, women are still not compelled to register for the draft. 

Funny, I haven't seen you, or any other Superwomen looking hot while demanding equality and your equal rights and obligations to register for the draft.....Until such a time as you do, you superwomen will enjoy the limited credibility of situation oriented feminists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You feel excluded because you aren&#039;t ALLOWED to play in the men&#039;s soccor game. 1970&#039;s or 1980&#039;s segregation and exclusion. Poor you. YOU want to be ALLOWED to play. You want to be an equal. When you want, how you want, and why you want.</p>
<p>But, at the end of the day, you actually don&#039;t want to be really equal, you want to be equal when you feel like it. And, you&#039;re fine being unequal should you not feel like it. </p>
<p>Every male on that soccor field born after December 31, 1959 was COMPELLED to register for the draft between the ages of 18 and 25, or face severe consequences. All females are excluded. The consequences males face should they not register? $250,000 fine and 5 years in jail. Excluded from federal employment. Excluded from federal student loans and grants. Excluded from citizenship. Excluded from federal job training. Excluded from state jobs, loans, and training. Excluded from getting a driver&#039;s license in 19 states&#8230;.</p>
<p>An exclusively MALE requirement since 1980.</p>
<p>Now, women have been ALLOWED into every military branch, and all military academies if they feel like it and want to go, for many years. Yet, women are still not compelled to register for the draft. </p>
<p>Funny, I haven&#039;t seen you, or any other Superwomen looking hot while demanding equality and your equal rights and obligations to register for the draft&#8230;..Until such a time as you do, you superwomen will enjoy the limited credibility of situation oriented feminists.</p>
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