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		<title>Comment on Time&#8217;s Up from the Inside : Chapter 5 by Climate Change Deniers, Step Up and Answer Some Questions : Chelsea Green</title>
		<link>http://chelseagreen.com/blogs/keithfarnish/2009/11/23/times-up-from-the-inside-chapter-5/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate Change Deniers, Step Up and Answer Some Questions : Chelsea Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by rainfall, ground cover and ice - will be drawn into positive feedback loops, such as those I described in a recent article. These types of changes rarely settle down until a significant, new plateau has been reached: it [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Now It&#8217;s Time For The Climate Deniers To Answer Some Questions by Graham Burnett</title>
		<link>http://chelseagreen.com/blogs/keithfarnish/2010/02/06/now-its-time-for-the-climate-deniers-to-answer-some-questions/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Burnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 21:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"If you want to board an aeroplane, but were told by a large group of
aeronautical engineers that the plane was 90% certain to crash upon
take-off, would you listen to them, or to a small group, comprising a
PR consultant, a botanist and a plumber, who presented as evidence an
article from Readers Digest magazine?"</description>
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aeronautical engineers that the plane was 90% certain to crash upon<br />
take-off, would you listen to them, or to a small group, comprising a<br />
PR consultant, a botanist and a plumber, who presented as evidence an<br />
article from Readers Digest magazine?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Time&#8217;s Up from the Inside : Chapter 5 by Now It&#8217;s Time For The Climate Deniers To Answer Some Questions - Keith Farnish at Chelsea Green</title>
		<link>http://chelseagreen.com/blogs/keithfarnish/2009/11/23/times-up-from-the-inside-chapter-5/#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator>Now It&#8217;s Time For The Climate Deniers To Answer Some Questions - Keith Farnish at Chelsea Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by rainfall, ground cover and ice - will be drawn into positive feedback loops, such as those I described in a recent article. These types of changes rarely settle down until a significant, new plateau has been reached: it [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Time&#8217;s Up from the Inside : Chapter 5 by Good Cod Almighty: The Global Fishing Crisis : Chelsea Green</title>
		<link>http://chelseagreen.com/blogs/keithfarnish/2009/11/23/times-up-from-the-inside-chapter-5/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>Good Cod Almighty: The Global Fishing Crisis : Chelsea Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Time&#8217;s Up from the Inside : Chapter 4 by Are We Blowing Colony Collapse Disorder Out of Proportion? : Chelsea Green</title>
		<link>http://chelseagreen.com/blogs/keithfarnish/2009/11/11/times-up-from-the-inside-chapter-4/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Are We Blowing Colony Collapse Disorder Out of Proportion? : Chelsea Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Time&#8217;s Up from the Inside : Chapter 1 by Brian Heagney</title>
		<link>http://chelseagreen.com/blogs/keithfarnish/2009/10/06/times-up-from-the-inside-chapter-1/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Heagney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 00:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm so glad I found your writing Keith, and I can't wait for the book to arrive at my door.  My own concerns about humanity changed me from a technophile to an anti-civ guy.  Thank you for being yet another inspiration for me kicking my own addictions to civilization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so glad I found your writing Keith, and I can&#8217;t wait for the book to arrive at my door.  My own concerns about humanity changed me from a technophile to an anti-civ guy.  Thank you for being yet another inspiration for me kicking my own addictions to civilization.</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Name Is Keith, And I&#8217;m An Anti-Civilizationist by keithfarnish</title>
		<link>http://chelseagreen.com/blogs/keithfarnish/2009/09/15/my-name-is-keith-and-im-an-anti-civilizationist/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>keithfarnish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan

The choices are infinite - who said we have to be hunter-gatherers? In fact that is not likely to be possible until the population dramatically shrinks. There are ways to live that have never been tried; as long as they are uncivilized (read the definition here: http://tobyspeople.com/anthropik/2005/03/what-is-civilization/) then they might stand a chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan</p>
<p>The choices are infinite - who said we have to be hunter-gatherers? In fact that is not likely to be possible until the population dramatically shrinks. There are ways to live that have never been tried; as long as they are uncivilized (read the definition here: <a href="http://tobyspeople.com/anthropik/2005/03/what-is-civilization/" rel="nofollow">http://tobyspeople.com/anthropik/2005/03/what-is-civilization/</a>) then they might stand a chance.</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Name Is Keith, And I&#8217;m An Anti-Civilizationist by keithfarnish</title>
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		<dc:creator>keithfarnish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Anton

You have hit the nail on the head and that's exactly what I have aimed to do with my book. If you are not sure, you can always read it through the preview on Google Books. One key thing is not to try and engage the entire population, that will never work - there is a small group of people ready to act, start there.

Keith</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Anton</p>
<p>You have hit the nail on the head and that&#8217;s exactly what I have aimed to do with my book. If you are not sure, you can always read it through the preview on Google Books. One key thing is not to try and engage the entire population, that will never work - there is a small group of people ready to act, start there.</p>
<p>Keith</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Name Is Keith, And I&#8217;m An Anti-Civilizationist by AEB</title>
		<link>http://chelseagreen.com/blogs/keithfarnish/2009/09/15/my-name-is-keith-and-im-an-anti-civilizationist/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>AEB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 01:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith, 

I certainly can't argue with your central proposition, as I imply as much in my own book, but the problem is approach, both in our target market and in our methodology of delivery.  We need to have an organic shift in this direction that comes from the ground up; that is to say that while the controls seem to come from above, from the corporate interests that feed the pocketbooks of the few, the real demand--and therefore control--comes from the street.  These are the people who make this whole illusion function as if it were real.  

Those of us who take this as their central task--whichever component of it we choose to work in--need to focus less on the "choir" and less on overly-complex arguments and overly-intellectual arguments and more on fundamentally useful applications and delivery of our content in digestible ways that resonate easily.  There are many among us who have highly developed understandings, but cannot seem to reach the market of the masses, people who not only deserve lives of value--which is being extracted from them by this cultural machine--but also run our country at the root level.  

If I get the chance, I have two books ready to come out after this initial one, the first of which deals with this topic in a broad, but close-to-home way.  

AEB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith, </p>
<p>I certainly can&#8217;t argue with your central proposition, as I imply as much in my own book, but the problem is approach, both in our target market and in our methodology of delivery.  We need to have an organic shift in this direction that comes from the ground up; that is to say that while the controls seem to come from above, from the corporate interests that feed the pocketbooks of the few, the real demand&#8211;and therefore control&#8211;comes from the street.  These are the people who make this whole illusion function as if it were real.  </p>
<p>Those of us who take this as their central task&#8211;whichever component of it we choose to work in&#8211;need to focus less on the &#8220;choir&#8221; and less on overly-complex arguments and overly-intellectual arguments and more on fundamentally useful applications and delivery of our content in digestible ways that resonate easily.  There are many among us who have highly developed understandings, but cannot seem to reach the market of the masses, people who not only deserve lives of value&#8211;which is being extracted from them by this cultural machine&#8211;but also run our country at the root level.  </p>
<p>If I get the chance, I have two books ready to come out after this initial one, the first of which deals with this topic in a broad, but close-to-home way.  </p>
<p>AEB</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Name Is Keith, And I&#8217;m An Anti-Civilizationist by Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess my impression is that to be anti-civilization means anti- any large scale social organization, whether organized overtly from the top or more organically from the bottom. So that would include being anti- Jeffersonian agrarianism, for example, a form of civilization that doesn't entail industry (as industry is currently understood). In other words, if you eliminate anything that I'd call civilization, you're left only with hunter-gatherer forms of society. I don't want to diss on hunter-gatherers! By some accounts I've read, those really are--or can be--about as ideal as any human society has ever been. Still, I personally could adapt to peasant agriculture a lot more easily than I could adapt to being a hunter-gatherer. I guess in the end I'll adapt to whatever I'm confronted with--or I won't, in which case, sucks to be me! But if I get to have a choice in the matter, I'd like to know the full set of choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess my impression is that to be anti-civilization means anti- any large scale social organization, whether organized overtly from the top or more organically from the bottom. So that would include being anti- Jeffersonian agrarianism, for example, a form of civilization that doesn&#8217;t entail industry (as industry is currently understood). In other words, if you eliminate anything that I&#8217;d call civilization, you&#8217;re left only with hunter-gatherer forms of society. I don&#8217;t want to diss on hunter-gatherers! By some accounts I&#8217;ve read, those really are&#8211;or can be&#8211;about as ideal as any human society has ever been. Still, I personally could adapt to peasant agriculture a lot more easily than I could adapt to being a hunter-gatherer. I guess in the end I&#8217;ll adapt to whatever I&#8217;m confronted with&#8211;or I won&#8217;t, in which case, sucks to be me! But if I get to have a choice in the matter, I&#8217;d like to know the full set of choices.</p>
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